You can get MinWax brand semigloss and gloss at your local big box store, but the flat seems to only be available at paint stores. Both of these I use at about a 50% mix. One thing is for sure, these clear coats can used on acrylic coats, no problem at all, that i allready tryed, but i need a good clear coat which give me a smooth and nice layer image. Yep, you can pretty much put anything you want over X-22 once it has cured, save for hot lacquers. I have the ratio down fine, I just need to know if misting light coats is ok, or do you need to let a sort of 'pool' build up a little bit as you sweep the airbrush back and forth? Flat; 3 parts paint to 1 part thinner I know, many people would sayyeah right, and i understand that, but i know all of these facts because i was a profesional painter for about 25 years, in a factory that manufactured paint. For me, this results in a finish that's between flat and satin. Never add thinner to the paint jar. Clear editor. Not now. The mind is like a parachute. That will be one less coat of gloss over the metal. Being old school and recalling the no lacquer over enamel rule, I called and got this answer. Model Master Metalizer is pre-thinned for spraying and will not need thinning. Make sure you keep your coats thin. Allow to dry, weather, apply Dullcoat, done. Kinda screwy. Your previous content has been restored. In each case I start by thinning the gloss to at least 50/50, apply in very thin, light layers and build up the gloss as needed. 1156 Thinner/Brush Cleaner. Activity by Genre And forgot to mention Aqua Gloss from Alclad which is an acrylic and sprays very smooth. Spray 3 to 4 light mist coats. Usually I start out with the normal paints at about 25% thinner and thin more from there if it is not quite spraying well. I'll look for some, there's a large home center near me. Spray Glosscote 3 oz. I do dullcote over pledge all the time. Thinner: - all enamel thinners, Get Rust-Oleum updates on your Facebook wall, Get Rust-Oleum updates on your Twitter feed, Get Rust-Oleum updates on your Pinterest board, Get Rust-Oleum updates on your YouTube page, Get Rust-Oleum updates on your Instagram page. Heres a link with a lot of good information on . I'm sure this topic has been raised over and over here but im struggling with everyones recomendation to the one product "Future". So, mist it? "Some say the alien didn't die in the crash. Below: Placing the spray can in warm / hot water for a few minutes before spraying helps the paint go on more smoothly. For questions or concerns regarding recent orders or product availability, please contact us. If I use Scalecoat II (which is what I prefer), I use Scalecoat II thinner. 50/50 mix here as well. View our, Tools, Techniques, and Reference Materials. Dec 29, 2016. See question no.39 on "Paint Thinning" for additonal information for paint clean up. If you use a dirty brush your gloss coat may have as tint. I hope my explanation is clear, because English isn't my mother language. http://www.swannysmodels.com/TheCompleteFuture.html. I also use the Alclad flat kote which thins with Testors enamelthinner. Air pressure setting should be approximately 20-25 PSI. I use nothing but MM enamels. Large images may take a few minutes to appear. I am looking to apply Testors Glosscote with my airbrush to a few freight cars. Testors Item # tes1261. I've done close to 200 builds, so far, and still have almost half a quart still. Make your models shine using this Testors Glosscote Top Coat! See more of Testors on Facebook. 9/16/186:30 AM. Auto Lacquers will dry to the touch in minutes; they require 24 hours for a full cure. No mixing is good You can post now and register later. This crystal-clear finisher is specifically formulated to provide an ultra-glossy finish to assembled model cars, trucks, and more. I useall three products both Testorsproducts, Tamiya Gloss and Semi. Do not shake the bottle to avoid forming bubbles. notE: the numbers listed below are only a guide and may vary from color to color. I swear by using Future as my decal solvent. Testors Dullcote! Apply a fabulously bright color, and apply this overcoat to protect the finish. Some time ago I experienced cracking of Gunze paint after applying a thick coat of Future. General Discussion - NO POLITICS. Thinner: - 28016 thinner only, Testor Enamels Interesting find Prof! "We refer to it as lacquer thinner, because most folks associate a clear coat as a varnish, which is commonly considered a lacquer." Future is not designed as a hobby clear coat and is not a decal solvent either. . If I want it flat, I reduce it by 30% with Model Master thinner. Share Followers 0. In the US, it is currently called. Mist on applications of the sealer so as not to diminish the reflectance. You just need to keep certain aspects in mind regarding the painting process. Unfortunately i got no experience with Testor's clear coats in order to comment further. By Jerry. It's actually reasonably price in Australia to. Thanks guys. What's the sense of that? Too many models to build, not enough time in a lifetime!! It works most of the time, but it's not guaranteed to do so. I not sure if everyone knows this but the Future product from Johnsons is a natural product. Best Sellers Rank: #178,031 in Beauty & Personal Care ( See Top 100 in Beauty & Personal Care) #1,154 in Lip Gloss. If the paint is over thinned, the paint cannot be thickened. www.stremy.net. Experiment with the ratio, it's been awhile since I've used the stuff. Create new account. Now for the question which one to use, i can not answer that. Can someone help answer the following questions: https://www.testors.com/pages/help-and-support/faqs/general-questions/?page=1. Out of Stock. After decalling I've airbrushed a light coat of Testors Dullcote over it to seal the decals with no issues. The one that I've finally relied on is Tamiya Gloss Coat. It can be used over all Testor/Pactra/Model . Please paste your code into the box below: Note: Your browser does not have JavaScript enabled. If you want to go with water-based stuff, go to a paint store and get a clear flat polyurathane finish in a pint can, It's a lot cheaper, it's very permanent and it thins easily with plain old water (although I use distilled) 10 to 1 for airbrushing. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. Heres a link with a lot of good information on Future however, its a few years out of date: http://www.swannysmodels.com/TheCompleteFuture.html. I regularly use for gloss:Testors GlosscoteAlclad GlossThe original Kleer - PledgeIn each case I start by thinning the gloss to at least 50/50, apply in very thin, light layers and build up the gloss as needed. It can be sprayed as is and use ammonia based windex to clean your airbrush. Don't forget that Future is a floor polish, it's not designed to be airbrushed onto models. About 15-20 minutes I apply a normal coat then allow to dry for days before handling the item. This was however, using their original paint formula which Tamiya changed after many people experienced cracking issues with their paints, especially the clear ones. Gloss, Satin and Flat, but the thinner is called lacquer thinner. clear polyurethane is readily available. It seems the lacquer thinner (Tamiya) is the best as it takes just the good time to dry. It creates a clear, glossy top coat that resists water and weather so your painted surfaces look fantastic for longer periods. Thin it with lacquer thinner. Use full strokes. You should be aware once you mix this clear coat, it should not exceed 48 hours while in the pot before applying it. They're still on the Rustoleum website, along with the same products in 1 oz bottles. Do you thin Future, if so with what? Quote; Link to post Share on other sites. View our, Tools, Techniques, and Reference Materials. 255 characters remaining, 25 characters maximum I'm interested to see examples of applications if anyone cares to share? In the US, it is currently called SC Johnsons Pledge Floor Care Multi-Surface Finish. Ithin my Dullcoat 50/50 and run a pressure of 20 lbs. 2023 Michaels Stores. Gloss; 3 parts paint to 2 parts thinner Most products may be shipped via standard ground (delivered in 3-5 business days) or Expedited (1 business day). About 3 or 4 years ago, I asked Testors about a clear product of theirs, a four bottle set called MM "Custom Enamel System." MILORG, For some reason I've always preferred to under thin a little.just habit. For a while I used lacquer thinner at about 50%, but it crazed the paint I was using at the time. Choose your favorite color of paint (sold separately), allow it to dry completely, then apply this top . The only issues I have ever had with the Minwax have been when I sprayed too much, too quickly (had same issue with Testors gloss too)that will crinkle up the paint. Pascoes "Long Life" floor polish is an alternative, but, as others have said, any clear acrylic should work. It's easy. It works better when it's open. Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, After decals I wait about a week before dullcoat. Please enable JavaScript in your browser settings. Spray 3 to 4 light mist coats. most of your questions are answered. Recently I emailed Alclad paints regarding the proper fluid to thin theirAlclad II Lacquer Gloss Klear Kote ALC 310. I might add the Metalizer Sealer to the list, as it was a . Item model number : 1161X. But there nothing better than one's own experience, so you can try yourself and see what you get. I cannot airbrush, so I'm stuck using handbrushable paint, and enamels/lacquers damage the plastic, hence my use of acrylics.) Products are the same and only the label is different. You can use Glosscote, if this is the enamel version thin slightly with the Testors Airbrush Thinner and spray about 35 PSI. This YouTube Video shows you how to use your Aztek Airbrush in Double Action. Just a little bit of this fluid has enough toxic that it will damage seriously you're health. But it does NOT dry as flat as dullcote. I have even brushed (manual) on a thin coat to create the eggshell look in a small area. 1148 or No. Then, you will used a solvent based clear coat like Alclad, that's ok, because you can do that, but only if you airbrush the Alclad clear coat in very thin layers with a pause of several minutes between the layerswhy?? Out of Stock. I wasn't expecting the x22 votes. I've used the model masters gloss coat and haven't had issues. Thanks, Don. but AFAIK it is no longer available. Pascoes ". " After it dries, apply decals with setting solution as needed, allow the decals to dry, then paint edges with more Pledge. Contact Testors on Messenger. Make sure to wipe down the can so that no water drips on the model. I typically do a couple light coats (this will dry to the touch in just minutes), then get a little heavier, with a few more coats. Testors. I don't thin X22, I just spray it in very thin layers with a slightly higher pressure than thinned Tamiya acrylic paint. I have been using Testors gloss and dull cotes for over 30 years with. Short answer yes. or. $7.09. Create new account. I'm not saying this is the methode, it is just how i paint my models. a good smooth metalizer surface shouldn't need any further preparation for decals, unless your afraid that setting solutions might mar the metalizer. Sign Up; Reviews; Browse. Ive used Tamiya X22, but my current favorite is Mission Models Clear Gloss, however I dont know if its available in Austrailia. Product/service . I have used thinner coats when I wanted a semi-gloss or eggshell. Thinner: - all acrylic thinners, Metalizer First i wanna say that i also tried previous the use of Future with my airbrush, but for me, that is a no go. 2. WISH LIST. In particular the dull coat came out more like a satin coat. I was unable to find directions though. note: Product image is a representative image and may not show actual product labeling, Get Rust-Oleum updates on your Facebook wall, Get Rust-Oleum updates on your Twitter feed, Get Rust-Oleum updates on your Pinterest board, Get Rust-Oleum updates on your YouTube page, Get Rust-Oleum updates on your Instagram page. It' s a fairly simple explanation, soap is an enemy of paint, because it breaks down some substances that are present in the paint, the most importand is the pigment, that colors the paint. Learn from the mistakes of others, trust me..you can't live long enough to make all the mistakes yourself, I tried !! Thisd product give as nice gloss sheen to swords, hikts and other shiny bits. A separate roller, commonly located at the rear of the airbrush, adjusts paint supply generally. Remember also that Matte clears flash off the solvents much quicker then gloss clears. Air pressure setting should be around 20-25 PSI Butyrate gets topcoated by Butyrate Clear. Tip 1: use a very clean brush! About the fact of laying thin layers of paint. that's true, better to lay 5 thin layers then to lay one thick onewhy?? My Gloss Coat Options are - Testors 1161 Glosscote Lacquer - Mr Hobby 030 Gloss Clear - Humbrol 35 Gloss Varnish - TAMIYA Gloss . It can be applied with a brush because of it self leveling properties but you get a better finish from an airbrush. I've used Future a few times and find it somewhat difficult to keep from running. I'm now ready for decals and exploring my options and i'm interested in people experience with them and recommend one or the other. Working pressure is approx 12 psi. This is a 3 oz. C-415 Build: https://imageshack.com/a/tShC/1, Other builds: https://imageshack.com/my/albums. Not that you were asking about it, but an alternative to Dullcote is to use Testors Model Master Acryl Flat Clear. Once you painted the subject with a acrylic paint, it is possible to use different sort's of clear coats. Testors 1260 may be labeled as Spray Enamel or as Spray Lacquer. Ah, yes- Future, the SC Johnson marketing department has changed the product name a number of times, to the confusion of housewives, customers and scale modelers around the world. Hobby Lobby has it in bottles - mix it 50/50 with lacquer thinner and airbrush it at around 25 psi. I use Testors Dullcoat in the bottle. I would just use Tamiya spray gloss as a direct substitute to the Testor's gloss. Model Master Auto lacquer is not thinned to spray add 2 parts thinner to 3 parts paint increase drop by drop. Log In. You may return the item to a Michaels store or by mail. Flat; 3 parts paint to 1 part thinner, ", It's very thin out of the jug so no thinning necessary. After 1 to 2 minutes dry, spray 2 to 3 even coats. 25 characters remaining. This will help ensure a smooth paint job. Hold can 10" to 12: from work. Moreover it's not a solvent at all. no problems. By Testors also has an Ultra-High gloss clear that is good too. FWIW, my bottle of glosscote is around 10 yrs old. Smooth out decal using a damp paper towel or soft brush. Item not available in Hobby Lobby Stores. Dullcote is a lacquer, so a lacquer thinner is what is needed here. Option B which is far lower cost is to use Future Floor wax which is now called Pledge Floor Gloss. See More Details about "Testors External . Marcel, I used to thin Tamiya acrylics with windshield washer fluid but found it made it less durable. Picture album at:http://community.webshots.com/user/dickj19 After spending hours building, I don't want to risk mucking it up with the painting. I was happy with it, except it seemed to take a long time to dry. As for windscreen wiper fluid - the thought never occurred to me. All of these thinners are relatively mild, but do a great job on these paints - better than any other alternative I've tried. It is "thinner than water" in viscosity, and self-leveling, so arrange the model on a stable, level surface, then paint on. Two follow-up questions: 1. Quick view. July 20, 2007 in Tools 'n' Tips. There is also less chance of "lifting" paint if you use thin coats. Not meant to criticise in any way. <_< Hi everybody! Rio Grande Zephyr 5771 from Denver, Colorado to Salt Lake City, Utah I airbrush several light coats and it drys to a thin, high gloss finish. Since I'm working on a project that has Testors Acryl paint on it and I wanted to gloss coat it for decals, I decided to contact Testors regarding the use of their clear coat sprays. Air presser should be around 18-20 PSI Unless there's a lot of surface detail, I'd put the decals down with just water straight onto the metalizer (assuming decent quality decals). Experiment on scrap material before you begin painting an actual project. Have Glosscote and Dullcote, label says to use ONLY their 1159 lacquer thinner. My shop doesn't carry it. This dead flat finish actually has a good tooth to it. By this I mean products from Modelflex, Polly S and the manufacturer of Microset/Microsol. Scot M. VF- Forever . After 1 to 2 minutes dry, spray 2 to 3 even coats. Can you follow that with Dullcoat, or some other flat coat? In general when spraying paints through Aztek airbrushes, the paint should be the consistency of whole milk or thinner. A single coat is all you need, do not go back and "thicken it up". If your URL is correct, you'll see an image preview here. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. Please enable JavaScript in your browser settings. Your link has been automatically embedded. Microsol makes the decals VERY soft in order to conform over raised details and other irregular (non flat) surfaces. White leading edges and tail (SWPA scheme) - several years ago I noticed that when I placed a freshly painted (w/white) model, the P-47 had most definately yellowed. All my reading on high quality finishing and a lot of resin car blogs and builders refer to Future Floor Polish before applying decals. Marcel111 I will give Tamiya X-22 a go since it is Acrylic. Gloss; 3 parts paint to 2 parts thinner SC Johnsons Pledge Floor Care Multi-Surface Finish. Model Master Testors Enamel Paint Applying too thick of a layer at one time just creates problems and a surface that isn't glass smooth. To return an item, the item must be new, unused and in its original packaging. Our community is FREE to join. Help other shoppers make informed decisions by reviewing your purchase. It survived and drank whiskey and played poker with the locals 'til the Texas Rangers caught wind of it and shot it dead.". Spray in light coats so the finish is almost dry as it hits the surface. Many features may not work properly without it. Don't know if it has some sort of different make up, but it sure works better. (outside the Model Master enamels) are the bottled Glosscote and Dullcote. However, the objective is gloss under the decal only so better to brush on the future as one decals ,just a little layer right under the decal,apply the decal to the wet future , then after the decal dries spray some dull coat over the dried decals. Deposit limits will apply. Working pressure is approx 12 psiPeter. I'd agree with Kev -Tamiya X22 is great. might be something to explore a little more. For clear coats it will yellow in time because of the negative effect of the soap on, one of the substances, the paste. Testors Spray Paint, Glosscote, Clear, 3 oz: Enamels require 48 hours for a full cure Make your models shine using this Testors Glosscote Top Coat! Sign up for a new account in our community. I use Testers Model Master Acrylics for to color / base coats leaving a flat finish. I've been using it with great success on 1/35 military and 1/72 aircraft kits for the past ten years or so. Thanks, Ed - I have plenty of lacquer thinner, DuPont and some Testors for their small bottle clear coats, it's called a lacquer thinner, I'll give a try for a small test batch. I was going to try the laquer thinner blend. I've particularly noticed it with people painted with glossy paint. When using the buffing coatings, gently rub out the dried film to achieve a gloss reflectance. Picture album at :http://www.railimages.com/gallery/dickjubinville For the small scales, this is usually faster and easier than setting up an airbrush. Do you need to thin it very much for airbrushing? The spray comes in an easy-to-hold 3-ounce can. Recent cans seem to be the old lacquer and dry quite quickly. Extend the life of your craft projects with the Testors Spray Paint, Glosscote. 50 characters remaining, 255 characters maximum Gloss Classic White lacquer and the required clear coat are two of the dearly departed products. Please see FAQ 5 for full Model Master Metalizer instructions. I don't typically use Glosscote for a glossy finish--I just like it because it's a nice lacquer layer to do acrylic weathering over, and it dries quickly. Multi Deck Ho Logging Railway in the North West, I've been decalling models for a few years (over 50! ) A couple examples before using Tamiya Gloss and Testors Dullcote, Charlie DuckworthModeling the MP Bagnell Branch and RI in Eldon, Missouri. One advantage is that semi-gloss (semi-matt?) Chief Engineer, Colvin Creek Railway. I prefer Tamiya X22 clear gloss and have also used Gunze's clear gloss (which is nice but not as durable as Tamiya given my experiences). 'None so far hold a candle to Testors. For awhile Testors was offering rattlecans of both enamel and lacquer gloss overcoats. I use Testers Model Master Acrylics for to color / base coats leaving a flat finish. I have used thinner coats when I wanted a semi-gloss or eggshell. It can be used over all Testor, Pactra and Model Master enamels and acrylics after they have dried. This crystal-clear finisher is specifically formulated to provide an ultra-glossy finish to assembled model cars, trucks, and more. Also, what psi do you use to spray it? With the roller all the way to the right, the paint is released by just pressing down. The most importand negative effect is color fading and killing of the uv filter protection. https://www.shapeways.com/shops/sean-p-murphy-designs. MarcelI paint almost exclusively with acrylics and fortunately have never experienced any cracking problems of either the clear top coats or the paint itself. Don't know if it's the particular batch, how I thinned it or just the phase of the moon, but yes, it does yellow on occasion. Product details. Just I'm risk averse. $19.99 + $7.87 shipping. If your URL is correct, you'll see an image preview here. I generally go for heavier coats, but that is because I usually am going for a heavier gloss. I am thinking about applying a coat of Modelmaster gloss enamel over the acrylics I use as a way of providing a protective layer, any thoughts on that? The spray comes in an easy-to-hold 3-ounce can. I find that the spray head on the Tamiya cans produces a finer mist than with the old Testors' spray cans. For lacquers and acrylics I'll use the Testors gloss and dull, for MM enamels I'll stick to Micro clear products. This item cannot be shipped to the following state(s): 50 characters maximum Glosscote is a lacquer-based clear overcoat, used to seal and protect painted surfaces.It is used for achieving a smooth glossy finish, over flat paint for good decal adhesion, or for a smooth and shiny protective layer.It can be used over all Testor/Pactra/Model Master enamels and acrylics, when latter have dried at least 24 hours or more.Apply in mist applications until desired effect is . But maybe the most importand fact is the methanol. Fine detail airbrushing requires practice and varies greatly with the equipment and air pressure being used. If you decide to use this clear coat, it will dry in more or less 12 hours. Now if I use floquil, I use Floquil thinner. In this video we show you the uses of the Humbrol Model Cotes range.Humbrol products used in this video;Humbrol Gloss Cote 28ml - AC5501Humbrol Matt Cote 28m. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. Gloss Coat Options and Decaling Solutions, , the SC Johnson marketing department has changed the product name a number of times, to the confusion of housewives, customers and scale modelers around the world. Dullcote does only one thing, but it does it extremely well: it gives your minis a glorious flat, matte finish. Mikie. 12,838 people like this. And how much do you thin it? I have even used it glue down ballast in a pinch, although I prefer matte medium for that as it doesn't dry as hard. I used the Modelflex gloss coat and dull coat and didn't like them at all. Many features may not work properly without it. Internal Mix airbrushes such as the A320, A430 and A470 are all capable of using the same interchangeable nozzles, but the double-action controls of the A430 and A470 allow you to exploit the finer points of airbrushing. I have subsequently learnt that this is a known problem in that combination of products, over the weekend at a modeling show I was told to just apply very thin coats of Future. Acrylics will dry to the touch in minutes; they require 24 hours for a full cure. You can also use the Levelling variety, or even Tamiya's own branded lacquer thinner. TESTORS GLOSSCOTE.. TESTORS GLOSSCOTE.. By MILORG, July 20, 2007 in Tools 'n' Tips. Beware that it requires precision mixing ratio to get the desired flat level. "Thru the Rockies", Puffin' & Chuggin', JB This was painted and clear coated 14 years ago actually It's fine to spray over cured acrylic cuz it dries quick. This is a good way to use with all sort's of clear coats, and also color coats of different sort's and brands. I use both Testors gloss and dull cote and use Home Depot LT to thin it about 20% LT and rest Testors stuff. What do I use to thin Dullcote so it can be airbrushed? Applying too thick of a layer at one time just creates problems and a surface that isn't glass smooth. To participate you must either login or register for an account. If you do what you always did, you'll get what you always got!! Testors #1260T Dullcote Spray Enamel 3Oz Clear Coat Pack of 3 & PAINT BRUSH SET. Log In. Testors Lacquer Top Coat Liquid Glosscote 1.75 oz- Give your flat-finished model surfaces a glossy sheen with glosscote top coat. Make yourself at home with these decor finds, Our spin on fabrics, ribbons, trims & more, "I do" to our wide array of florals & wedding decor, Find cozy yarn & more snuggle season must-haves, Everything you need to serve up a season of style, Dye, stencil & paint your way to something stunning. Admittedly, the stuff stinks, so you either should have a spray booth w/ exhaust fan or else do it outdoors. And Tamiya's X-22 is a terrific clear gloss; far superior to floor polish in my opinion, and safe to use over most other paints. But overall Testor Dull Coat is very nice. Like many of the traditional - best - Testors products, this requires thinner and may act like a thinner. Do not to over thin flat Enamels, as they can turn to a gloss if over thinned. After countless hours i just can't find anything like this in Australia. Air pressure should be approximately 18-20 PSI When sealing the buffing colors, use Product Numbers 1409, 1459 or 1261. May 22, 2006. Just doing a single coat. I wonder,can I spray Testors G :D losscote as it is ,or must I thin it ??????? If you have good results with your decals using future, it's just because the Future acts like a glue and fill the microscopic bubbles between the surface and the decal film, so you avoid silvering and improve the adherence of the decal. Reply to this topic; Start new topic; Recommended Posts. Both of these I use at about a 50% mix.